Damaged-down Housing and Urban Model Secretary Julian Castro instructed Fox News on Thursday evening White Home adviser Kellyanne Conway might per chance doubtless doubtless just mute be fired for violating the Hatch Act — the identical federal law that Castro himself was once found to possess violated in 2016.

The 2020 White Home contender’s remarks got right here in a Fox News Town Hall in Tempe, Ariz., hosted by Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum. One at a time, the Democrat tried to protect the Hillary Clinton campaign’s option to fund an opposition study dossier written by a British ex-perceive, at the same time as he condemned President Trump for announcing this week that he might per chance doubtless doubtless be birth to opposition study from international actors.

Castro, who served within the Obama administration, qualified on Thursday to participate within the Democrats’ first presidential notable debate, along with more than a dozen diversified candidates.

But, the day also brought an unwelcome highlight on Castro’s past. The Office of Special Counsel (OSC) instructed Thursday that Conway violated the Hatch Act on “various events,” and concluded that she might per chance doubtless doubtless just mute be eliminated from federal provider.


The Hatch Act is a federal law that limits the political actions of particular federal staff. In 2016, “OSC concluded that Secretary Castro violated the Hatch Act by advocating for and against Presidential candidates,” the watchdog wrote in a letter to Obama. “Secretary Castro’s statements during [a televised] interview impermissibly mixed his non-public political opinions with unswerving company business regardless of his efforts to account for that some answers had been being given in his non-public capability.”

Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway violated the Hatch Act, a watchdog found Thursday. (AP Portray/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)

Counselor to the President Kellyanne Conway violated the Hatch Act, a watchdog found Thursday. (AP Portray/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)
(AP Portray/Manuel Balce Ceneta, File)

Castro was once responding to a query from Katie Couric in an interview that thinking HUD coverage sooner than pivoting to the then-upcoming 2016 presidential bustle.

“Now, taking off my HUD hat for a 2d and compatible talking personally, it is very sure that Hillary Clinton is the most skilled, considerate, and entertaining candidate for president that we have this one year,” Castro instructed Couric.

The Obama White Home took no action, and OSC did no longer counsel Castro’s termination. Castro, pressed by Baier, argued that his case was once diversified from Conway’s, primarily because his violation was once an isolated episode and he tried to be taught from it.

“Rather than announcing, ‘Look, I am going to grab these efforts to guarantee that that would now not happen again,'” Castro acknowledged, “she acknowledged, ‘To hell with that, I might take doing it. They acknowledged she had over and over performed that. That is the adaptation.”

Castro added that Conway’s obvious lack of remorse was once disqualifying: “I form no longer assume we’re gonna derive any one either in this bustle, or in our homes or in our neighborhood, that’s never made mistakes. The correct take a look at of a frontrunner is, what form you form will possess to you build that mistake? Are you big ample to have as a lot because it after which guarantee that you upright what you form within the prolonged bustle, or form you form, assuredly, what she did, and narrate, ‘No, I am bigger than that?’

“No, she did the pass thing,” Castro concluded. “And I give a enhance to the Office of Special Counsel’s option that because she over and over violated it, despite the truth that she was once instructed it was once a violation, she might per chance doubtless doubtless just mute be eliminated from articulate of business.”

Baier and MacCallum also pushed for Castro to instruct his condemnation of Trump’s unique assertion that he would settle for international political opposition study if provided. In 2017, Brian Fallon, a broken-down Clinton campaign spokesperson, instructed The Washington Post that international-generated opposition study was once a standard segment of the political project.

“The most most essential I realized of Christopher Steele or saw any dossier was once after the election,” Fallon acknowledged. “But if I had gotten handed it final tumble, I would possess had no grief passing it along and urging newshounds to see into it. Opposition study occurs on every campaign, and right here you had one of the most sad guy ever working for president, and the FBI absolutely has considered match to see into it. I doubtless would possess volunteered to poke to Europe myself to grab a see at and study if it could doubtless perchance possess helped safe more of this within the market sooner than the election.”

Republicans possess pushed for answers on the Hillary Clinton campaign and DNC’s role within the introduction of the unsuitable Steele dossier, written by British ex-perceive Christopher Steele. The Clinton campaign and DNC, by technique of the opposition study company Fusion GPS, funded the dossier’s introduction by the international national.


A key source for Steele was once an ex-Russian intelligence officer, in step with notes obtained by The Hill and written by Justice Division unswerving Bruce Ohr. “Powerful of the sequence about the Trump campaign ties to Russia comes from a broken-down Russian intelligence officer (? no longer fully sure) who lives within the U.S.,” Ohr wrote.

The FBI went on to quote the dossier to construct a secret surveillance warrant to show screen broken-down Trump aide Carter Internet page.  deal of considerations with the Steele dossier’s reliability possess surfaced, in conjunction with several considerations that had been brought to the FBI’s consideration sooner than it cited the dossier in its FISA application and subsequent renewals.

“Democrats and even some Republicans are criticizing the president for announcing he would listen to opposition study from a international authorities if it was once provided,” MacCallum acknowledged, “but one among the questions from the diversified side that comes up, is how is that in actuality diversified from the Democrats funding the Steele dossier in 2016 by technique of a British operative that they knew had Russian sources?”

Castro deflected: “Properly, first of all, I form no longer assume we might per chance doubtless doubtless just mute distract our grief from the truth that we have an unparalleled grief right here, of a president of the US, who if I endure in mind the video wisely, was once for sure sitting within the Oval Office within the help of his desk announcing that he would grab intelligence against his political opponent from a international authorities.”

Asked about Fallon’s remarks referring to the Clinton group’s funding of the Steele dossier, Castro asserted that the conditions had been merely “entirely diversified,” with out explaining.

Hillary Clinton's campaign helped fund the discredited, anti-Trump dossier that the FBI cited in a warrant application to show screen broken-down Trump aide Carter Internet page.

Hillary Clinton’s campaign helped fund the discredited, anti-Trump dossier that the FBI cited in a warrant application to show screen broken-down Trump aide Carter Internet page.
(AP, File)

“I assume it be stable to issue we have never considered that 2d in American historical past, and I form no longer assume that’s a appropriate thing,” Castro acknowledged, referring to Trump’s feedback. “I form no longer ticket why, on this community and in many conservative circles, folks are mute talking about Hillary Clinton.”

In opposition to the discontinuance of the metropolis hall, at the same time as he expressed his opposition to the Hyde Modification that bans federal funding for abortion, Castro pointedly refused to condemn Biden’s unique flip-flop on the grief.

“We’re no longer on the debate stage,” Castro, thought about a possible vice presidential decide, answered. “The reality is, I would favor to introduce myself to many folks that form no longer know who I am yet.”


Immigration also featured prominently early within the metropolis hall, with Castro announcing the grief was once “non-public” to him — and that Obama, his broken-down boss, had demonstrated real “compassion on the grief.”

“I assume the disaster that exists is driven by stipulations in worldwide locations deal with Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala,” Castro acknowledged. “I assume we have a disaster of leadership.”

Fox News’ Bret Baier and Martha MacCallum contributed to this advise.